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POLL: Should California Ban the 'Bullet Button?'

The bullet button gets around the state law banning semi-automatic guns and those with removable magazines.

 

Earlier this week, California Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco/San Mateo) was given the Vanguard Award for "Elected Official of the Year" for his work in social justice.

We also reported that one of the biggest efforts Yee is working on currently is a Senate bill to ban the "bullet button" in California.

That certainly got people talking.

In California, an "assault weapon" is defined as a semi-automatic rifle with both a pistol grip and a detachable magazine, among other features. A "bullet button" is designed to replace a normal magazine release button with a recessed button that can only be accessed through the use of a tool - such as, the tip of a bullet.

The California Department of Justice (CA DOJ) declared that semi-automatic rifles utilizing a bullet button are considered to be "fixed magazine" rifles, and therefore legal under the state's assault weapon ban. This was most recently reaffirmed in April of 2011 in the case of Haynie vs. Pleasanton, wherin the CA DOJ said that the arrest of an individual with such a rifle was without cause, as such a rifle is legal.

See the full text of 'Haynie vs. Pleasanton' in the PDF attached to this article.

Yee disagrees. Though the bullet button still slows down a person's ability to change magazines, Yee argues that it should still be banned for safety reasons, calling assault weapons and bullet buttons "public nuisances."

People all over the state - and across the country - feel passionately about the issue of bans on assault weapons and bullet buttons.

Many say such a ban is useless; that people who want to kill will find a way, and that whether or not bullet buttons and semi-automatic assault weapons are banned won't make a difference. Therefore, the ban would only punish law-abiding citizens who use guns and bullet buttons safely.

Others say, tragedies like the Aurora, Colo. movie theater shooting - which Yee has been using as a reason to push the bill even harder lately - are proof that more gun control is needed in this country.

Patch wants to know - what do you think? 

Let's continue the conversation. Please vote in our poll below, and feel free to share your thoughts and explain your vote in the comments section below.

Steve Hayes August 6, 2012 at 02:38 am
That is the Fox News party line, but is it really true? Let's assume there were about a dozen people with concealed weapons. The theater would have been dark and a shooting would cause all sorts of confusion. Some of the people with concealed weapons might shoot at the shooter but the rest would start shooting at each other - not really knowing who started the shooting. You would end up with a mess, perhaps worse than the actual result
John August 6, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Steve thats a lot of speculation on your part, heres my speculation five people with concealed carry permits take the shooter out with minimal loss of life..
There was an other shooting in colorado which you may not have heard about on the main steam media a shooter showed up at a christian meeting and started shooting and a woman with a concealed carry permit killed him.
Gordon Frampton August 6, 2012 at 03:16 pm
Every year law abiding gun owners in the US prevent between 2.5 and 4.5 MILLION violent crimes by using their guns WITHOUT FIRING THEM. banning guns will result in more deaths. This has been proven repeatedly in Great Britain and other places with strict gun laws.
Britain had a gun massacre in 2010. 12 people were shot to death and 25 people were wounded. The police weren't able to stop the massacre for THREE HOURS because they weren't armed. With regard to "Assault Weapons" - assault weapons are usually fully automatic. It is almost impossible to own a fully automatic weapon in the US because you aren't allowed to register any fully automatic weapons that were manufactured after 1986. I have two rifles in my gun safe that the newspapers would almost certainly call "assault weapons" but they aren't because they are semi-automatic. the rifles that I have fire 5.65 x 45mm rounds that have a muzzle energy of ~1300 ft lbs. The fearsome and scary AK-47 that is available in semiautomatic versions fairly readily in California fires a 7.62 x 39mm round that generates ~1500 ft lbs. The most common hunting rifle cartridge (the .30-30), generates ~1900 ft lbs. So there you have it - the most common hunting rifle is substantially MORE powerful than the legendary AK-47. Are we now going to ban hunting rifles? If so - how do we deal with the Supreme Courts recent pronouncement that the 2nd amendment is an individual right?
Gordon Frampton August 6, 2012 at 03:20 pm
@Steve Hayes. Hypothetically - had the police arrived in time to take on the Colorado shooter IN the theatre - do you think they would have refrained from shooting?
Charles August 14, 2012 at 04:36 pm
Steve Hayes,
Why is it that all of these tragedies happen in a GUN FREE ZONE is it just a coincidence or is it because bad guys don't want to be were there are law abiding citizens with CCW's there to protect themselves and their families.
Charles August 14, 2012 at 04:47 pm
Fisking a Gun Control Editorial
Posted on July 24, 2012 by correia45 This editorial was sent to me by a fan. It is an opinion piece from CNN. As can be expected in the aftermath of any shooting that grabs headlines, two things are going to happen. 1. Liberals will knee jerk try to pin it on the right. 2. They’ll start bleating for more gun control. We got #1 when ABC news was trying to blame this on the Tea Party before the blood had even dried, and of course when that came back as untrue, just like it did with the Giffords shooting, they went right into #2. Larry Correia is the New York Times bestselling author. http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/fisking-a-gun-control-editorial/
Charles August 15, 2012 at 09:52 am
Top Story
Following an outpouring of opposition, the California Assembly's Appropriations Committee has pulled SB249 from their hearing calendar. Originally scheduled for Thursday, the removal of SB249 from the calendar means it is effectively dead for the year. We are told by our sources that Assembly staffers said the decision was the result of grassroots opposition. As one staffer said, "you really unleashed the dogs this time." SB249, if enacted, would have prohibited the sale and possession of all semi-automatic firearms with detachable magazines, including the so-called "bullet button" magazines currently allowed. California already prohibits any magazine with more than a ten-round capacity.
Jennifer van der Kleut August 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Charles - yes, we have seen many posts like this all over the Internet as of last night, but as of yet, Patch has been unable to confirm the bill has been pulled from the Assembly calendar. If we can confirm it, we will update the story with that info.
Will S August 15, 2012 at 12:23 pm
SB 249 is still on the calendar for tomorrow's hearing. Still viable.
Charles August 15, 2012 at 04:56 pm
The following link will give information on SB 249 and makes it very easy to contact all the elected officials involved and express your opposition to this legislation. Bury them in email today as they vote tomorrow.
http://stopsb249.org/takeaction
SeanT August 15, 2012 at 07:39 pm
Confiscation without reimbursement? Uh, yeaaaah. Gooooood luck with that. Hey Leland, why you don't go outside and play hide and go F yourself.
NEVER HAPPEN.
MIKE SCHOEBEN August 15, 2012 at 09:23 pm
Another knee jerk reaction. Put up a bill that doesn't violate the 2nd amendment at a time it can be considered without all the emotion and panic.
David August 16, 2012 at 12:16 am
I hope this F-stick gets the picture and lets this alone next year!!!!
John Rush August 16, 2012 at 04:26 pm
People that have bullet-button equipped rifles are obeying the letter of the law and DOJ has agreed with that. They have only 10 round magazines in their guns - because it is a felony to have a larger fixed magazine. Many folks have 30-round magazines as they were available before the large-cap ban. They are legal to own. The drums and 90 round magazines were never legal in CA. These bullet button equipped rifles are much slower to shoot than guns with drums or huge magazines. Nobody seems to mention that you can take your AR style rifle, remove the flash hider and pistol grip, use a fixed stock and have a legal detachable-magazine rifle in which you can use your 30-round magazines. Then it has none of the evil-black-rifle characteristics and is perfectly legal. That is the alternative to the bullet button. They would have to outlaw semiautomatic rifles entirely to eliminate that 'loophole' Several companies make non-pistol grips to help owners do just this. Or buy Ruger Mini-14 or Mini-30 rifles. They work just the same and are not defined as evil because they have wood stocks without pistol grips. It is all arbitrary nonsense.
Gordon Frampton August 16, 2012 at 05:38 pm
SB249 didn't get heard today (Thursday).
Yevgeni Andre'ich Stepanov August 16, 2012 at 07:40 pm
There has not been a murder in California with a so-called "assault weapon" since 1993 -- before there was any requirement for a "bullet button' at all!
Consider that a semi-automatic rifle isn't one of those "evil assault weapons" unless you add that pistol grip. So, a five inch piece of plastic makes the gun more dangerous? REALLY? Senator Yee just wants an excuse to take guns. He wants to seize private property and no even provide compensation! Remember what the first act of the British to quell the American rebellion was: They moved to seize the guns and ammunition of the Colonists on 26 April 1775. The result was the battles of Lexington and Concord. In New England this is a holiday called "Patriot's Day." It is these same gun-grabbers that claim the Second Amendment is to ensure the militia could be armed. But they don't want the armed populace (which is the militia) to own the sort of weapons a militia would need!
Matt Weintraub August 16, 2012 at 08:01 pm
If you really want to control criminals, outlaw cars, because almost every crime is committed with the use of a car to get to, or escape from, the scene of the crime. So if a gun is the problem, then the car is a problem too. - But, if this argument seems specious, that is because it is specious. Cars aren’t the problem, and neither are guns. Teaching our youth to be civil is the problem. Controlling the media is the problem. Reducing violence in the media and to children is the problem. Restoring respect and authority to teachers, parents, and police officers is the problem. Controlling the 1st Amendment in the media is the problem. The 2nd Amendment is not the problem. Your focus on abridging the 2nd Amendment distracts you from the real problem of the 1st Amendment. Stop beleaguering the 2nd Amendment.
Matt Weintraub August 16, 2012 at 08:04 pm
THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD.
Just look at Thomas Paine’s booklet “Common Sense”, or Hitler’s diatribe, “Mein Kampf” or Mao Tse-Tung’s “Little Red Book” or Karl Marx’s/ Frederic Engels “ political manuscript, “The Communist Manifesto”. All of these writings caused millions of deaths and uncounted suffering. All without the author lifting a firearm or so-called Assault Weapon. So why do we allowing the media to exhort our youth to violence? Violence in movies engenders copycats; evening news reports give infamy to violent criminals, newspapers post photos of the most heinous criminals. All this advertisement leads to more violence in our society. Control violence in the media. Re-examine the 1st Amendment and the media’s willingness to teach our youth that violence is laudable. The problem is not the 2nd Amendment. It is the 1st Amendment.
Matt Weintraub August 16, 2012 at 08:07 pm
The compelling argument that firearms need to be regulated because the Constitution was written well before we had semi automatic firearms is equally as applicable to the 1st Amendment in regards to automation. In 1776 there was no fax nor internet nor video games nor 2 hour movies with violence as a message. Yet where is the hue and cry to abrogate 1st Amendment rights when these 2-hour ads encourage more violence in our cities? We only hear cries to limit 2nd Amendment rights. Well it hasn’t worked. It is time to take another looks at the 1st Amendment. And it starts right here. Limit the 1st Amendment. Just like they have done to the 2nd Amendment.
Matt Weintraub August 16, 2012 at 08:09 pm
Do not undertake “catastrophe legislation”. This is legislation that results from unanticipated violent upheavals in our society. Catastrophe legislation is kneejerk, hastily written and poorly evaluated for its unanticipated side effects on society. They are “feel-good” laws that accomplish little and hurt many law abiding citizens. The proposal to classify and outlaw a series of semi automatic firearms as evil simply because how they look or that someone misused one is as outrageous as outlawing Cadillac Escalade SUV’s simply because these are big and ugly and are the preferred vehicle of drug kingpins, gangsters and murderers.
Yevgeni Andre'ich Stepanov August 16, 2012 at 10:00 pm
More people have been killed in California with knives and baseball bats than so-called "assault weapons."
Why isn't Senator Yee calling these things nuisances?
Yevgeni Andre'ich Stepanov August 16, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Excellent point.
It is also noteworthy that while the anti-gun people like to note that the purpose of the Second Amendment was to arm the militia, the type of guns a militia would need are exactly the type Yee wanted to ban.
kelvin August 16, 2012 at 10:24 pm
It is pretty obvious with the results of this poll, and the comments made, how the citizens feel. Don't you think it's time to elect some new legislators?
Matt Weintraub August 16, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Yevgeni
Absolutely correct. The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting...nor crime control. It was always about controlling a tyrannical government. Which...is why they want to take away the only type of weapons that can be most useful in controlling that government. And much of our populace just doesn't get it. Sad. That's why you need an arsenal. To arm those too stupid to see the writing on the wall before it fell and hit them on the head.
Yevgeni Andre'ich Stepanov August 16, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Matt,
Such "kneejerk reaction" generally is because people want to do the impossible: Prevent a tragedy that has ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. We cannot prevent the past and it is rare when the same thing happens in exactly the same manner. Governments do this all the time on all scales. The Congress of Vienna was established after the Napoleonic Wars, bu could not prevent World War I. The League of Nations was not designed to prevent World War II. The UN will probably never prevent any war, it has proven impotent to do much of anything worthwhile. I grew up in the USSR. Stalin allowed people to have hunting rifles: SINGLE SHOT weapons, while his soldiers had much more modern arms.
Matt Weintraub August 17, 2012 at 02:04 am
Yevgeni
You are right about the U.N. Generals always fight the last war. And our politicians are always trying to prevent the last mass killing. They should be focused on the next major terrorist attack - a nuclear EMP.
Yevgeni Andre'ich Stepanov August 17, 2012 at 11:00 am
Disasters, be they natural or man-caused are not predictable. No one could have predicted the 9-11 attacks, the Colorado shootings or the gunman who tried to shoot up the FRC.
So making laws to try and prevent the next disaster is a nonviable approach.
David October 16, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Never let a good crisis go to waste, eh commie Lee. How people vote for an idiot like this is why Kommiefornia is going downhill. Nice going voters!
bobby valintine January 6, 2013 at 08:11 pm
Guns don't kill people, People kill people ! When are the politicians going to get this through their tinny big heads. Rocks and sticks can kill people. Anyone can make a bomb. If a person wants to kill, that person will and can get a hold of whatever weapon he or she wants. Look at the gangs in any city or state and you will find that they are in registered or have no serial number.
Yevgeni Andre'ich Stepanov January 6, 2013 at 08:31 pm
The so-called "assault weapon" is not the source of much danger. Less than 1% of gun crime is committed with such weapons.
In fact, people are being led to believe that our children are in immediate danger because of Sandy Hook. It isn't true, as the odds of a child being shot at school are LESS than the odds they will be struck by lightning.

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